Looking Out From the Garage: I am very sad to say...

I am very sad to say...

Not shocked... but sad. 

Actually, I'm not shocked at all.  And maybe sad isn't the right word... disgusted would be better...

And I really hope the right people find this post... 

A few days ago, I posted a comment on the President's Report blog at the NAR.  The NAR has found this whole social media/blogging thing, and they want to show that they "get it" and are hip to the grooviness.  But they don't, and they aren't.  

Dick Gaylord, President of the NAR posted about an email he received that supportive of the NAR and their "rosey" outlook during this latest housing crisis/bubble/boom/crash/whatever.  It brought out a VERY valid point that the media had been overly sensationalistic and negative.  Each time, the problem was not as deep, long or protracted as the media presented.  Of that point, I am fully supportive... 

Here are a couple of clips from the post:

More often than not, they say we are too positive about the prospects for housing values in the future.

From the email:

The Media’s attack on the real estate industry is nothing new. For decades they have practiced doom and gloom tactics and in some cases have actually caused real estate prices to decline short term. The good news however, is each and every short term decline has been temporary and has been followed by long term price appreciation.

As stated, I agree with the premise of the email... 

(You knew there would have to be a "but" and here is is)

But...  I commented.  And I commented in a manner that some in the NAR might not have appreciated.  I put THEIR comments into perspective.  Here is the entire comment:

But you have to admit that 5 or 6 quarterly reports that say “the worst is behind us” each time… while the market continues to erode is a little tiring.

We all know that the media’s market readers keep preaching that whatever is happening in the short term will last forever.  But the NAR hasn’t been too realistic about the short term.  Instead of telling people that the market looks challenging, the NAR message has been “Prices are up, it’s a great time to buy.” or “Prices are down, it’s a great time to buy.”  The truth is that it is a great time to buy for some people.  It is a lousy time to buy for others.  Consumers should consult with THEIR REALTOR(R) to find out which camp they are in.  

I guess they really didn't like the comment.  As of this evening, that comment hasn't been posted to the blog.  All of that only goes to show something...  The NAR doesn't "get it" and they aren't hip to the grooviness. 

So, I know that most of those that comment here are likely to say that I shouldn't be shocked or surprised.  I know that a lot of us in the industry aren't thrilled with "our" trade organization.  Many of us feel taken for granted, or taken advantage of.  We feel like the NAR thinks we exist for their benefit rather than them existing for ours.  This MLS/domain name issue and the actions of Move, Inc in relation to Realtor.com are two good examples. 

In the case of my less than supportive comment, Dick Gaylord and the others at the NAR wasted a GREAT opportunity.  Instead of censoring the comment and hoping it would go away (76,606 members here... a few will read it, and the comment hasn't gone away), they missed a perfect opportunity to respond.  

That's right... respond!

Had they wanted to show the other members that I was flat out wrong, they could have responded to the criticisms.  It would have gone a lot further with the membership to show that they are open to the dissenting opinion, and can show that they were acting appropriately.  

And finally...  Part of the allure of blogging is its openness.  Transparency.  Honesty.  How open, transparent and honest is it to censor comments?  I understand moderating comments... I killed one today that was spam, and I have dumped comments for language and abusiveness.  But I don't see how my comment could have been classified as any of those. 

The censored it for dissent...

So, NAR... Dick Gaylord... feel free to post up the comment I gave on your blog and answer it.  I'll be happy to say so here... and on the very public post on LaneBailey.com.  Or, if you think the appropriate way to answer criticism is to censor it and ignore it, feel free to let me know why right here. 

Frankly, I don't expect to hear from anyone at the top of the NAR...

 

** Edit.  I had to go back and add the link to Dick Gaylord's blog post. **

We managed to get some kind of response...  Here is the post I wrote about it.

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107 commentsLane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy • March 10 2008 04:54PM

Comments

I agree, they should of published your comment you will have to let us know what happens.  NAR is definitely more optimistic than the media but that may not necessarily be a bad thing.

Posted by Colorado Springs Realty Patricia Beck (Re/Max Real Estate Group, GRI, CDPE) about 4 years ago
understand your frustration, but should this be a members only blog?  Just curious.
Posted by ERA Heavener Realty Co. about 4 years ago
I think dinosaurs became extinct because they lost their usefulness for the planet. Although we have the dinosaurs to thank for our fossil fuel today... Maybe NAR will give us energy to go on for years to come, crude as it may be. Thanks for the post.
Posted by Mara Hawks, Inactive-2012 REALTOR®, Homes for Sale Auburn Real Estate, AL (First Realty Auburn ) about 4 years ago
this is just another instance in a long line that has me doubting exactly what it is NAR is doing for us. They are allowing non-realtors to post on Realtor.com, it seems like NAR is all about NAR lately and not so much the individual agent
Posted by Rob Muller - ABR, ASP, RCC, CNHS, LREA Cherokee County Real Estate (ReMax Town & Country) about 4 years ago
Yes... maybe they need to rename it: nonREALTOR.com
Posted by Mara Hawks, Inactive-2012 REALTOR®, Homes for Sale Auburn Real Estate, AL (First Realty Auburn ) about 4 years ago
Amazing, I cannot believe what you wrote here, I back you 100%! At least you are "saying it the way it is." We need support! Not negligence.
Posted by Karen Monsour,REALTOR®, SSRS - SELLS FL WATER FRONT, SHORT SALE EXPERT! (Coldwell Banker Fort Lauderdale Beach) about 4 years ago
I'm not sure why anyone would think this should be a member's only blog.  Isn't that the exact point that you are trying to make IN the blog.  Can't we talk about the NAR positive or negative in an adult manner?  Good post...I thought it was totally professional.
Posted by Melina Tomson, M.S. Principal Broker/Owner (Tomson Burnham, llc Licensed in the State of Oregon) about 4 years ago

Patricia - It isn't about being optimistic.  It is about being honest.  I think they were trying to convince people everything was ok for their own benefit... not because they thought everything was alright. 

Matthew - No.  I want the NAR to find it.  I would love to have Dick Gaylord or someone else from the NAR come and comment.  I won't cut them off.  If it is Member's Only, it won't be picked up by Google.  And I'm not saying anything I"m embarrassed to say in public.  

Mara - I think that the NAR needs to carefully examine their motives.  Are they representing us?  Or are they representing themselves?

Rob - Yes.  I think that many organizations get taken over by the staff.  I think that the NAR has.  Then it becomes more about maintaining their power and the status quo. 

Karen - Believe it.  I just realized I forgot to post the link to Dick's post.  I will correct that. 

Melina - I agree.  Thank you.  

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago

I am in total agreement on this one, Lane.  I really do hope that NAR redeems itself and that SOMEONE responds to your comments, here or on their blog.   I'll be watching....

By the way, I agree with the comment you left for Dick too. :)

Posted by Marlene Scheffer, Realtor to Kitsap County, WA (Realty Station) about 4 years ago
They don't see the importance and are too slow to react on a lot of fronts. we need to keep prodding them.
Posted by Terry+Bonnie Westbrook Westbrook Realty Grand Rapids Forest Hills MI Real Estate (Westbrook Realty Broker-Owner) about 4 years ago
I'm sure that NAR has something to do, but other than pay lobbiest to get our elected officials to pay attention to our needs, I'm not sure what they would be.
Posted by Larry Brewer Nashville Real Estate (Benchmark Realty LLc) about 4 years ago

Lane,

I have been disturbed by the NAR's public position for some time. Like you, I work in Georgia and we have been particularly hard hit by the collapse of the market, and when consumers here see the Realtor ads they are not fooled, and we come out looking like desperate salespeople.

Do not be stifled, continue to say what you believe, and let the chips fall where they may!

Posted by Richard Weisser Coweta Fayette Real Estate about 4 years ago

Marlene - Thanks.  I'm not hopeful. 

Terry - They need to be responsive to the membership.  We shouldn't have to hit people over the head to get them to listen to us.  

Larry - I am the President of a 4wd club.  We have had to go through a lot of changes catching up in the last couple of years.  It hasn't been easy.  The larger associations have been facing the same issues.  But, instead of ignoring the complaints from the membership, we have met them head on and talked about why the changes were needed.  In many cases, our most ardent opponents are now the ones spreading the faith.  After we talked about why some of the changes were needed, they could see it.  In other caes, we have altered the changes we were going to make because we were presented a better idea.  

Ignoring the detractors is ignoring good ideas and turning away those that can help if they are shown the light.  Explain to me why I am wrong and I will champion the cause!

Richard - I don't think we have been hit particularly hard, but we certainly haven't been spared.  But the point is that we can't just hide from the facts and talk about clowns and puppies...  And I am tough to stifle.  I am perfectly willing to be a lightning rod.  

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago

Hey Lane -

At least we know that the censorship extends outside of blogs here in the Rain.  Wait - that isn't a positive.  Hmmm. I can't think of on positive thing from All this except:  keep on fighting the good fight!

~Renae

Posted by Renae Bolton ~ Marketing 4 Realtors (Marketing 4 Realtors) about 4 years ago
Groovy, man. I can 'dig' it!....
Posted by Rich Jacobson Your Kitsap County WA Real Estate Broker (Keller Williams West Sound Realty) about 4 years ago
If NAR is actually promoting REALTORS they should be saying that all real estate is local and to get a handle on it speak to a local REALTOR.  Let NAR take the lead on financing reform, affordable housing and health insurance, but don't tell me what's happening in the trenches.  Great post!!  I'd love to know if you get a response.
Posted by Laura Giannotta 'Your Realtor Down the Shore!' (Keller Williams Realty Atlantic Shore, NJ ) about 4 years ago
The problem is the self fulfilling prophecy of the media. NAR is a worthless organization that will always give a slant...the media has hurt the very people they say they protect to sell a sensational story about most peoples largest investment...of course they will listen.
Posted by Jeffrey DiMuria www.SouthBrevardBeachHomes.com (Coldwell Banker Sun Land Realty) about 4 years ago
Laura has a great point. It should be like a point-counter point ad campaign to let people know that most areas of the country are NOT tanking. It might help the agents in the hardest hit areas turn public perception around. You know what they say, Perception IS reality.
Posted by Patrick Johnson (Windermere) about 4 years ago

Who are the non-realtors posting on realtor.com?  I must have missed something...

Posted by Ida McCarthy-Lombard Real Estate about 4 years ago

I am not an apologist for anyone, Lane. I was wondering if just your comment was held up or perhaps the tehcnology failed. Now if they posted other comments after you submitted yours ... no good. You're right about the censorship concern.

It seems to me I always get bit by the whole assumption jump-the-shark thing and I'm left with egg on my babyface. .

Posted by Blogger To Be Named Later about 4 years ago

Lane,

This is just another example of how antiquated they are. It's business as usual. Thanks for trying to make a difference. 

Posted by Susan Peters - The Better it Looks the Better it Sells (Dove Realty Inc.) about 4 years ago
What happened to the days when you could sensor something and it would just go away never to be heard/read/seen again...sigh....tee hee! :)
Posted by Shannon Lefevre, PA (John R. Wood REALTORS Inc.) about 4 years ago

Your comment was not wasted, nor a surprise to me.  I get the same feeling that I am here as a benefit to NAR, rather than them being here to benefit me.  It is easily the worst trade organizaion I have ever belonged to, and I am sick of them calling me trying to sell stuff.

Posted by Jason Smith (DreamDirt Auction) about 4 years ago
Lane -  Sorry to hear that happened.  Too bad they didn't fully research the meaning and use of a blog before they stuck their foot into it.
Posted by Debbie White (Prudential Southeast Alaska Real Estate) about 4 years ago

I don't belong to NAR, as I am a lender.... I see so many great new clients that want to buy.... I am very encouraged by the market and don't care what the media says at all....  I can't wait to fund my purchase loans!! 

 

Jennifer Lamm

JenniferLamm.com

Posted by Jennifer Lamm (The Loan Gallery) about 4 years ago
Good on you Lane for trying to set the record straight and make them see the light
Posted by Michael Eisenberg Bellingham Real Estate Broker (eXp Realty) about 4 years ago

Lane

I admire your tenacity.  Keep up the good work.

Ed Ryb

Posted by Ed Rybczynski about 4 years ago
Well it looks like you shook the feathers from the people on high. It's like our government. They think we are here for THEIR benefit and most logical people know it is the other way around.
Posted by Robert L. Brown~Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Michigan (www.mrbrownsellsgr.com) about 4 years ago
I have been wondering about NAR's peculiar messages.  Just caught a commercial on t.v. the other day.  It had a family pictured by a house, and the message was, "If you are one of the families who purchased a house within the last year, we want to say thank you, you did the right thing, now is the right time to buy".  I am paraphrasing, but it was that message with a few minor word adjustments.  Just so darn strange.  What is the point.  I hope as a consumer I am not that stupid, Am I?  Really?
Posted by Rebecca Levinson, Real Estate Marketing Consultant (Real Skillz-Clear Marketing for Your Real Estate Vision) about 4 years ago

Terrific Lane. We write about the media being over the top much of the time, and we have just as much disdain for that as we do for anyone in our profession doing the same thing in reverse. Especially our local competition, and NAR in particular. It's nonsense, and the public knows it too.

Really nice job here

cheers 

Posted by Gary Bolen (CRS) Lake Tahoe Real Estate Information (McCall Realty) about 4 years ago

Lane,

 Great post! This deserves to be front and center, not just in the back room of members only. Consumers need to understand that most of us are caring professionals who want to represent the best interests of our clients and not side show barkers trying to get everybody into the see the show. Consumers are the ones that lose when NAR contrives to paint a rosey picture quarter after quarter. This only supports the idea that Realtors are less than professional and we are interchagable with used car salesmen in plaid suits! (My apologies to the used car professionals who simply choose to wear plaid suits - but I needed a visual!)

NAR's message should ONLY be to promote professional Realtors, enhance our knowledge, consumer confidence and act as a voice for the professional members they allegedly represent (for a fee of course!)

Posted by Marston Myers (Area Pro Realty - People's Choice) about 4 years ago

Lane,

I love your post!!!!  Honesty is the best policy but it seems that there is less and less people in our world willing to tell the TRUTH even though it sets them free!!!!!

Posted by Exit Realty Showcase- Broker & E-Pro & REOS about 4 years ago

Good post. I remember saying in my earlier posts that for years all we heard was that the market will be strong, I did not hear any warnings, nor did I hear about the dangers of easing up the lending practices. Yes, NAR is at fault for not looking ahead. They were just delivering a cheap sales pitch, which fooled a lot of people.

I remember being worried and I remember how I was carefully reading the Magazine and searched for warning signs, but did not find it. We did not get guidance, the general public did not get guidance. Yes, I think NAR has to apologize to both the members and the nation for misleading.

Why on earth people are bashing the media, when NAR did way more damage that any media could conceivably do? They were the ones who were supposed to yell that it is too good to be true, and tell Realtors to be realistic. They are the ones, who were supposed to tell members that this business is cyclical, and that were were on an uphill swing, and we were approaching the top... but they failed miserably, and failed us, and we failed out customers.

This is unfortunate but this is true

Posted by Anonymous about 4 years ago
Sorry, that was me. Failed to notice that I was not signed in
Posted by Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL. FunCoast Realty, 386-405-4408 about 4 years ago
To me, a blog is all about discussion and transparency. It should encourage conversation and dialogue. That means including multiple points of view.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 4 years ago
To me, a blog is all about discussion and transparency. It should encourage conversation and dialogue. That means including multiple points of view.
Posted by Sharon Simms St Pete FL - CRS CIPS CLHMS RSPS (ALVA International, Inc.) about 4 years ago
Laura is right in her suggestion that NAR should be saying "all real estate is local" and referring people to local agents near them.  Censoring unflattering comments is distressing.
Posted by Margaret Woda, Maryland Real Estate & Military Relocation Services (Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc., Crofton, MD) about 4 years ago

Lane,

 I'm extremely proud of how are community handled this subject.  It's obvious that we can handle this in a professional manner it's unfortunate that one of our voices doesn't feel the same way and prevent you from speaking in a professional manner about a problem their hiding behind.

Keep up the great work!  I'm glad to be apart of such a wonderful group of professionals

Posted by Green Bay Homes Greg Dallaire (Dallaire Realty) about 4 years ago
What are you crazy.  NAR is the orginization that once asked FHA to do 100% loans when banks started to slow down on doing them.  They definitely protect the realtors, but they have to understand they have earn the confidence of the public.  You can't earn us the reputation of being the "slick used car salesmen"  They need  step back and think more carefully about the messages they are sending to the public.  Bottom line they don't get it..
Posted by Russ Ravary - Metro Detroit homes - Michigan Real estate & Mortgage info (Remerica Hometown One) about 4 years ago
Lane, let's hope they have google alerts for their name so they can read it here. ditto they should have responded.
Posted by Missy Caulk-Ann Arbor-Realtor® Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams-Ann Arbor) about 4 years ago
Lane....old buddy...old pal....

Don't even get me started.  They have my e-mail on auto-filter straight into the junk/spam folder! =[

I need to write my 2nd campaign speech! ;)
Posted by Jessica Horton Realty | Jessica Horton Realtor (Keller Williams Realty Atlanta Partners) about 4 years ago
Just like you I do not expect NAR to respond in any way to anybody that criticises them, they are set in their ways any other different way that might contradict their point of view is to be ignored at all cost.
Posted by Freddy Solis Bristow, Braemar Realtor (Atlantic and Pacific Real Estate) about 4 years ago
The NAR will learn that you mess with a blogger and it just fans the flames. They don't get it!
Posted by Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Wayne B. Pruner, Realtor, GRI (Oregon First) about 4 years ago
I would imagine that they have seen it by now. I doubt there will be a response.
Posted by Monika McGillicuddy~NH Real Estate Broker (Prudential Verani Realty) about 4 years ago
It is amazing how the PR machine works.  Hide the stuff that is contrary to what our own position is.  Contrary points of view is what makes this country great!  I hope they post it, but I'm with everyone else in that they most likely won't.
Posted by Bill Exeter (1031 Exchange Expert) (Exeter 1031 Exchange Services, LLC) about 4 years ago
Just like Washington DC, they spin until it does come to the way they said it would. Problem the facts show it keeps going down so why stick your foot in your mouth! Good post
Posted by Dick Betts (Dick Betts National Speaker) about 4 years ago
Just like Washington DC, they spin until it does come to the way they said it would. Problem the facts show it keeps going down so why stick your foot in your mouth! Good post
Posted by Dick Betts (Dick Betts National Speaker) about 4 years ago
Good for you Lane, I think the NAR does many wonderful things on behalf of it's membership. But when it comes to the message being sent on behalf of those members, it's important to listen to input.
Posted by Seattle Real Estate|Colleen Fischesser| |Short Sale Specialist|So King County (RE/MAX Select R.E | Designated Broker/Owner) about 4 years ago

Lane, I just think NAR has lost sight of right and wrong, hoping it "will all just go away".  Good for you!

Posted by Audrey June-Forshey, GRI, Gaithersburg, MD (RE/MAX Realty Services) about 4 years ago
Thank you for stating it as it is... sometimes I have to just shake my head when I hear the latest "positive indicator" news. (AND I shake my head at the evening news also -- choice doom and gloom or rose colored glasses.) And as for representing us,well...NAR doesn't really use my voice, I don't know about others.
Posted by JoEllen Stranger-Thorsen, Lake County, FL (Catherine Hanson Real Estate, Inc.) about 4 years ago
It looks like we're all in a pretty high learning curve out here on the blogosphere.  I have appreciated more articles on Web 2.0 & blogging recently by NAR and our state board.  However, your comment was an opportunity to represent their side of the story.  We can't expect people to agree with us all the time, but blogs can provide a unique opportunity to have an informed and intelligent conversation.  This contributes towards the process of understanding even when our viewpoints differ. 
Posted by Lola Audu~Audu Real Estate~Grand Rapids, MI Real Estate about 4 years ago
WE sure are learning how different groups handle different blogs. Why don't they read TIme Magazines article and spread it around about now is a good time to buy and why. Or would that be censored.Amazing..My daughter tells me that even some sites in the internet are being removed due to information that is censored by our Government.  Check out Wikileaks site from wikipedia, see my blog. it was shut down and now up and running after a court ordered it shut down.
Posted by Mary Thomas Palos Verdes, South Bay,Pas Ar REALTOR®* ( Remax Palos Verdes, Realty) about 4 years ago

I love getting a feature... I keep telling myself that. 

Thank you all for your comments.  I truly appreciate each and every one... agree or disagree.  

Renae - I don't know if it is the good fight, but...  Quieting the voices isn't a valid way to deal with things anymore. 

Rich - You are a Cool Cat, Man...

Laura - The "real estate is local" mantra is starting to pale.  There IS a place for recognition of the national market.  And it should fall to the NAR to speak of that market, as it should fall to the states to talk about their market, and the local associations to talk about theirs.  And the NAR is working on some very good things.  They just need to realize that if people ever believe them again, they have to be HONEST and forthright... not just say whatever it takes to try to get more members and more sales in the short term.  

Team DiMuria - The traditional media is seeing an erosion in their trust with the populace as well.  Hence the rise of FoxNews and the fall of CNN and the networks.  The rise of blogs and the fall of newspapers.  

Patrick - You have the same name as my best friend.  But, I would point out that the majority of local markets aren't doing well.  There are a few standouts, and a few that are seriously tanking, but on the average... the numbers aren't good.  

Ida - I'm not up to date on that, but I would bet that R.com is perfectly willing to collect money from advertisers to enhance listings for non-NAR members.  Remember, the NAR leases out the domain name and they don't run it.  

Andrew - 6 days.  No comments posted, but they are soliciting comments for that post.  Other posts have comments.  All positive.  

Susan - I do think they need to seriously examine the "business" model.  

Shannon - Oh, the good ol' days...

Jason - Just like a union, the "bosses" get too tied up in being power brokers.  Power comes from having members, not always serving them. 

Debbie - They want one way communication... with a little adulation thrown back if possible.

Jennifer - I am right with you.  But it isn't about that.  It's about being honest about the market in general, not about an individual's business result.  

Michael - Farting and hurricanes come to mind.

Ed - Tenacious is another word for butt head that won't let it drop...

Robert - It would take a million hits for this to shake anyone's feathers in Chicago.  The choir already knows the hymns... and the choir is here on A/R.  

Rebecca - The same words naturally flow regardless of the landscape... not a sign of transparency. 

Gary - Thank you.  That is exactly right.  How can we complain about the media being one sided while defending our own trage group being just as partisan.  

Marston - The NAR is going to always be a default base of knowledge for those looking to study the "market".  They just need to be honest and not deliver the same message all of the time... and when the screw the pooch, admit it.  

Jennifer - I appreciate the position the NAR is in.  They are chartered to be a cheerleader.  But, I have seen the most partisan of politicians berate their own party for blowing it.  And I have seen authority increase when admiting a mistake.  

Jon - I think that the media was only doing what they do... sensationalizing the available story.  The NAR could have advised restraint.  But, I will also defend them to the extent that a lot of very smart people didn't really see the bubble ending.  But I think that is more a case of not wanting to see it rather than not being able to see it.  

Sharon - That is straight to the point of the post.  Forget the actions of the NAR during the bubble and crash.  Let's just look at what they are doing right now.  

Margaret - I think that the NAR does have a responsibility to track the "national market" for what it is.  And they also need to remind people when times are good that there are crappy markets, too...

Greg - Thanks.

Russ - The UAW doesn't pretend to look out for car buyers...  Maybe the NAR needs to re-examine its role.

Missy - I would think that SOMEBODY in Chicago knows about this post now, thanks to the feature.  I would guess that next time I go to the convention I won't have state people clapping me on the back and trying to sweet talk me into chairing anything...

The AMAZING Jessica - (can you tell I am a fan of hers?)... Maybe we can have our own ticket...  I will serve as your VP.  

Freddy - I guess they subscribe to the "one way mirror" school of transparency.  

Wayne - I am a fly on the elephant's butt.  At least on this platform, I might infect them with the bite.  

Monika - You are probably right.  However, if they DO show up, I will do everything I can to not let them be attacked for responding.  Disagreed with = ok.  Attacking = bad... 

Bill - I haven't looked tonight.  

Dick - The ol' "even a broken clock is right twice a day" tactic.  

Colleen - I agree.  I think that the NAR could pound out a lot of good with eminent domain protections, small business health insurance, the FairTax (which I haven't seen them take a stance on).  And when it comes to predicting the market, remind the media that the crystal ball is cloudy... and boy have we blown it for the last several quarters...

Audrey - I agree that the want the dissent to just go away...

JoEllen - You are welcome.  

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago
Lane: And I thought I was only one who noticed. I applaud your daring.
Posted by Matt Grohe RE/MAX Des Moines (RE/MAX Real Estate Concepts) about 4 years ago
Great post!  I agree, another blown opportunity from the "Leadership"  When NAR starts censoring the membership, we have problems. 
Posted by Bob Schenkenberger - Denver Real Estate (Colorado Realty Professionals) about 4 years ago
I agree with all you have posted. Thanks for keeping us up to date.
Posted by Richard Lecinski (Long Realty Company) about 4 years ago

Our market isn't doing that badly - but the NAR message is so predictable - "now is a good time to buy" - no matter WHAT and "now is a good time to sell" - no matter WHAT.  Trouble is, they make every Realtor look like they are lying UNLESS we say they shouldn't buy or sell. Markets are  local anyway -so how a national organization can make such blanket statements about what is  a very local issue baffles me.

Posted by Ruthmarie Hicks (Keller Williams Realty - White Plains NY) about 4 years ago

OHHHH Don't get me started.  There are a lot of things that NAR does that is not representative of it members or their viewpoints.  I am glad you wrote your comment and exposed the response (or lack thereof) on Active Rain.  A lot of people have criticized their new national add that it is a GREAT time to buy/Sell!  What about the NEW revised Article 12 -- Is this a "true picture"????

Posted by Joan Whitebook Southern New Hampshire (BHG The Masiello Group) about 4 years ago
Um, wow, seems like a lot of pent up hostility toward the "head office" out there. Here on the West Coast we don't hear much from NAR although they're pretty concerned about us using that Regristration Mark when we write the word Realtor. That said, I do know their lobbying has kept the banks out of the real estate business and that they do some important things to protect us. I'm always amazed at which blog posts get the most comments. Usually it's when we eat our own. Too bad.
Posted by Keith Berne, Real Estate Broker, Realtor, GRI (RE/MAX Equity Group, Inc.) about 4 years ago
Go Lane!  Raise some #*$^(%.   I'm tired of all the rosy sunshine talk.  The data crunchers predict that we're only HALF WAY through this foreclosure mess!  HALF WAY!  If that's true, the non-sunny days aren't coming to an end for quite some time!
Posted by John Hokkanen → Encinitas Real Estate (SurfTheTurf.com) about 4 years ago
I agree that NAR does a lot as far as lobbying on behalf of Realtors, but I do wish the message was more about looking to your local Realtor for guidance.
Posted by Sandra Carlisle, DRE# 01364315 (First Team Estates) about 4 years ago
Where is NAR and why haven't they responded here yet? Social networking by NAR?  I think not....
Posted by Marlene Scheffer, Realtor to Kitsap County, WA (Realty Station) about 4 years ago

Who were the people who gave these people loans in the first place that caused all the foreclosures.

Maybe the banks need to bite the bullet on these loans and bail these people out.  Give them back the 1.5 points for doing the loans.

Maybe all the foreclosures are really people who didn't actually qualify in the first place but were given loans anyway?

The market should be great.  This is clearly a lender issue not a REALTOR issue or market issue. 

If the media would change gears and attack the real issue things would change.

Am I wrong?  Where is the NAR stand on that?  The REALTORS don't approve loans for these people.

I have nothing against you hard working lenders that do a good job.  You know who you are.

Posted by Brian Blake about 4 years ago
I understand their 'cheerleader' role, but a better approach may be to acknowledge the reality of the situation and offer practical solutions.  It really isn't the best time to buy for a good portion of the population, and for the rest, competent, honest, professional guidance is required to ensure protection in this market.   
Posted by Joe Hayden - Louisville, KY Homes for Sale (Keller Williams Realty - Louisville East) about 4 years ago

Censorship - Ouch!!  That is a hard one to swallow. 

I have appreciated the REALTOR commercials because there is a positive side of this market and it has been underreported - having said that, I do agree that they are saying too little too often.  The same message repeated over and over can sound self-serving to a public that is sometimes already suspicious of our profession. 

I suppose that it is up to us as individuals to expand on the message and back it up in parts of the country where we can with stats, expertise, discussions and our blogs.  Ultimately, we are all responsible for providing the expertise on a personal level!

Tiffany Cloud, Arizona

(sidenote:  funny thing, the spell check just caught the word 'blogs' as misspelled -- on a blog....OK, it's really late and that just seems funny to me! :) )

Posted by Tiffany Cloud (HomeSmart Real Estate) about 4 years ago
Lane, keep us posted on what the outcome is.  Would love to see our NAR reacts.
Posted by Russ Lenich Naperville, IL Homes (Baird & Warner) about 4 years ago
You are right about NAR thinking that Realtors exist for there benefit rather than just the opposite.That petains to the local level as well. It seems that our state Realtor organiztion brainstorms constantly on how to milk us for more dues, fees, designation absurdities, mandatory this and that - all with a cost attached. 
Posted by Kristal Pooler - North Shore & Cape Ann (Kristal Pooler & Associates. Coast & Country Properties Inc.) about 4 years ago
Eliud Gautier, Realtor Associate, a member of NJAR - vote no on censorship.
Posted by Eliud Gautier (Every Home Realty, Inc.) about 4 years ago
I would love to see them bite the bullet and post the comment.  They would certainly gain my respect (finally) if they did so.
Posted by Jeannie Kontis about 4 years ago
Lane - Looks like you got the pot stirring, I like it:-)  If it was intended censorship, it's a sad state of affairs.  Sounds to me like NAR has about as much of a pulse on the reality of the market as a whole as our current administration.
Posted by Jason Sardi (I love kittens cute & My Jennifer!!) about 4 years ago

Lane;

I beleive this NAR's post(s) is/are out of frustration. When you deal with such an incredible force as powerful as the media, (in which I believe is the most powerful force in the world) it just becomes tiring to fight..its like throwing rocks at a tank...you can throw all day, but those rocks bounce off...coupled with - "THEY DONT GET IT" I think any negativity right now is not what their looking for..the word "lousy" may have upset them...(remember, the media regualtes EVERYTHING in the world, including the upcoming election)

BUT....I do agree with you...and i have said myself (on AR) why doesnt the NAR find someone on this site to do their blogging or internet advertising/propaganda/fighting/whatever to help them, they simply dont "get" the whole blogging thing...they seem to avoid it... 

All they need to do is open their eyes and come onto AR and find some people to help them with this...there are 100's of incredibly talented bloggers/writers on this forum...MOST REALTORS dont get blogging, the internet, etc...my broker in fact asks me "what do you do on the internet" WHAT???????

 

 

 

Posted by Dave Sulvetta Realtor Camden County NJ Homes for Sale (Dave Sulvetta, ReMax Connection, Gloucester County Realtor) about 4 years ago
Some one way up top commented about NAR being a dinosaur...What's that bird called that sticks it's head in the sand?
Posted by John March www.johnmarchrealtor.com (S.C. Real Estate) about 4 years ago

Lane,

 I wholeheartedly agree.  I think this actually may be changing though as more of the "dinosaurs" retire.  Those of us who regularly use the internet and didn't just start so we could be "hip" and "grow our business" already knew the wisdom behind the marketplace of ideas.  We know the value of true information and of discourse when "truth" may not be so obvious.  It appears, however, that we may just have to wait it out and let the "people will believe what we TELL them to believe" folks retire.

Posted by Aaron Biek (i3 Realty) about 4 years ago
There has been a lot that's been said here.  I agree with everyone here.   A lot of you all shared my thoughts here. Thank you Lane for your post!
Posted by Jimmie Graham (Keller Williams Realty) about 4 years ago

 

 

Lane...

Can you imagine what it is like for the people that don't blog?

Hang in there,

Steve

Posted by Obeoman Glade Jones (www.obeo.com) about 4 years ago

Lane - you are my new blogging hero.  I try to move the masses with few entries/good reporting/shock value.  You do it only with one thing:  integrity.

Awesome.

Posted by Douglas Garbe, Real Living Real Estate Solutions (Real Living Real Estate Solutions) about 4 years ago

Wow.  Again, thank you for all of the comments.  I am working on what I think the NAR and Dick Gaylord's response to me SHOULD have been.  I will post that up here after it finishes cooking...

Lola - That is just it.  I offered a perfect opportunity for them to be transparent and look better for it.  

Mary - Whole different thing... and I guess I'll be googling wikileaks...

Matt - With 1.3 million members, I would bet that 20% of them noticed... 70% wouldn't notice unless their butts were on fire and their hair was catching... and 10% would never admit they noticed.

Bob - Leadership doesn't involve putting duct tape over the mouths of dissent.  

Richard - No problem.

Ruthmarie - As I have said, there is a place for talk about the "national market."  It is no different than stocks.  "The market" is made up of the performance of thousands of individual stocks.  The national market is made up of the performance of millions of individual sales.  Heck, the local "market" doesn't really exist either.  It all comes down to one house at a time.  

Joan - There are a lot of people that are going to disagree no matter what the NAR does, but they owe it to the public and the membership to be honest about why they pick a path.  

Keith - It isn't so pent up.  I think it extends from the fact that many feel that our professional reputation (as a group) has been mismanaged by our trade union... I mean organization. 

John - Depends on who you talk to...  And that is part of the point.  The NAR should have been paying more attention to those that weren't always convinced the market was going up forever.  

Sandra - That would solve part of the problem.

Marlene - I don't think they will step into the snake pit... and as this comment thread grows, I can't say I blame them.  

Brian - This isn't about assigning blame for the current crunch.  It is more about the NAR's reaction to criticism.  

Joe - All we want is some realism.  

Tiffany - When the message is the same regardless of the landscape, the message is no longer valid.  And I think the reason the public is suspicious of our profession is because of that message.

Russ - Think of a kid sitting in the closet in the dark with his hands over his ears repeating the same mantra over and over.  

Kristal - I think the NAR started losing its way when they decided to be a power broker and a business model rather than represent their membership. 

Eliud - Thank you.  

Jeannie - I'm not holding my breath.

Jason - You know me.  Have pot stirrer... will travel. 

Dave - The post is more about the NAR trying to squelch its own membership when they disagree than it is about the media and their treatment of the housing situation.  Of course, it is easy to stray over there... I keep doing it. 

John - Ostrich...  

Aaron - The first thought I had was that of the Soviet Union.  I don't recall which Chairman it was, but he was the first one that wasn't part of the Octoberists.  Despite him being 70+, he was referred to as a "younger generation."  I think the NAR has a long way to go before they work through the Realtorsauruses.  I know that there are still a bunch of them in my market.  Look at the people you run into.  Do they embrace new media and technology?  Do they embrace the free flow of information?  Are they trying to be the gatekeepers as they were 20 years ago?

Jimmy - You are welcome.  

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago
OK, NAR... here it is. 
I want to help you out. 
Here is the response that could have killed all of this, and put the bloggers on YOUR side.
 
Lane, thank you for commenting.  You are right.  We blew it.  We blinded ourselves to the possibility that some big markets had some ugly fundamentals.   Like many others, we should have seen it getting worse, and like many others, we didn't.  I hope that going forward, we do a better job of presenting a realistic picture of the landscape.  
 
Perhaps it would be better to go after the media by being more unbiased than they are.  But...
 
What would have happened if we started saying that the market was overheating?  That wouldn't have served our members, and may have even started the burst sooner.  It certainly wouldn't have instilled confidence in the market even at a time when the confidence was deserved.  It is a difficult balance we are looking to strike.  
 
Thanks again for commenting, and whether you agree or disagree, it is always great to get feedback from our members.  
 
Remember, this is NOT a response from the NAR...
It is just what they should have said...
Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago

Obeoman - They write letters...  But they don't get 1000 views and scores of supportive comments.  That has to be frustrating.

Douglas - Not a hero.  I just had to say something.  

 

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago

How about a simple message from the NAR -- Our Professional REALTORS, people of integrity, are experienced and educated and ready to guide you thru the real estate process.

Posted by Scott Wooters (OneCall Home Showings) about 4 years ago
What's the opposite of crying wolf? Screaming "sunshine" even though evidence strongly suggests clouds for some days to come? People have tuned out what the NAR says relating to market condition. I know why the NAR puts out what they do. But you're absolutely right about how these reports resinate to the public. At some point you need to show a little blunt honesty to lend some credibility that will show in good times as well as bad.
Posted by Anonymous about 4 years ago

Whoops, not signed in. Above comment mine. I agree about the NAR 100%.

Posted by Chris Henault- St. Petersburg Real Estate (Realty Executives) about 4 years ago
I love Chris' response about screaming "sunshine." People want a discussion, not a "pre-recorded and rehearsed" press-release-style answer.  I thought that was the point of blogging. 
Posted by Greg Steffens (Mountain Country Realty) about 4 years ago
Thanks for letting us know, I was not aware of this occurence. couldn't agree with you more.
Posted by Josué E. Silva (Tierra Antigua Realty) about 4 years ago
Let us know if he ever responds.
Posted by Jimmy Collins, Knoxville Area Real Estate (Century 21 Select Properties) about 4 years ago
Terrific post, Lane.  This whole feeling starts at the local board level.  My bet would be that the local boards would rate above the national but not by much.
Posted by Bill Gillhespy Fort Myers Beach Realtor Fort Myers Beach Agent - Homes & Condos (16 Sunview Blvd) about 4 years ago
It just makes them seem even worse. If they censor blog comments, how do we know their reports are accurate. They could just throw out the foreclosures or short sales that may negatively affect the value. You have to be honest and open about everything you say. If you try to dimiss, ignore, or censor challenges, it makes you seem like you don't know what you are doing or that you are doing something misleading.
Posted by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners) about 4 years ago
I am so glad that someone called the NAR on their overly optimistic viewpoints.  Being real isn't being negative.   Thanks for sharing what the NAR has censored.
Posted by Chris Ann Cleland, Associate Broker, Northern VA (Long & Foster REALTORS®, Gainesville, VA) about 4 years ago

I think you should do a separate blog with your example of the 'correct answer,'  Most people just scroll down to the comment box (as much as we'd like them to read all the comments, but that is a lesson I have learned the hard way!).

You are doing a great job, in any case.

Hero is not bad, trust me.

Posted by Douglas Garbe, Real Living Real Estate Solutions (Real Living Real Estate Solutions) about 4 years ago
Great post.  I've been thinking that NAR pushes too much hype on how good the market is for sometime.  Every quarter they say it is time to buy and every quarter the prices come down.
Posted by Brian Kreick (Willinger Real Estate) about 4 years ago

Scott - Nice sentiment, but it doesn't tell consumers what is going on in the world.  The problem is that the NAR gets call from the media asking for their predictions on the coming market. 

Chris - I know that my clients appreciate when I tell them what's on my mind... even when they don't agree.  They may or may not take my counsel, but they are glad to know that I am willing to tell them the truth as I see it.

Greg - There are times I think that the NAR wrote all of the market reports at the same time... and just released them when needed.  

I bank blog posts sometimes.  I had some pre-written recently (so that I could keep up the schedule when my son was born).  But I know that the may need to be re-edited even a couple of days after being written.  

Josué - You are welcome. 

Jimmy - I am not expecting a response.  Would you respond into this crowd?

Bill - They are closer to the membership, but I wonder how connected some are to the market.  

Christy - Personally I don't doubt the accuracy of the numbers.  It is the interpretation I don't trust.  

Chris - There is a way to be positive and ethical.  But, being rosy in the face of the thorns isn't necessarily it.  

Douglas - Maybe I'll just leave it there as a bonus for the people paying attention...  Thanks.  

Brian - Pumping sunshine up the skirts of the consumer will lead to distrust, so when there are clear signs the market is turning, no one will believe it.  

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago
A healthy dose of reality is what we try to get our clients to accept on a daily basis--it is time for our leadership to do the same.  Great Post, Lane!
Posted by Kent Simpson "TucsonKent" Tucson Homes Land & Investment (Tierra Antigua Realty - Downtown) about 4 years ago

Lane,

As I said in the beginning of your blog, I back you 100%. This is totally unbelievable. Now we know who has "our" back's in this disgusting market...and who obviously won't help.

Kudo's for you! Thanks for sharing...I mean I thought, but didn't want to believe that this was happening.

You need 2 STARS FOR THIS ONE!

Posted by Karen Monsour,REALTOR®, SSRS - SELLS FL WATER FRONT, SHORT SALE EXPERT! (Coldwell Banker Fort Lauderdale Beach) about 4 years ago

What we need to remember is that the NAR is a numbers driven organization.

All that matters to them are the numbers. More members mean more dollars to use for lobbyists and advertising, which they hope will draw in more members.

The NAR has been neglectful of many aspects affecting the livelihood of the vast diversity of its members.

Any organization or person, for that matter, that is always positive, while neglecting the real facts is worthy of scrutiny. Most of us are uncomfortable with scrutiny and therefore become censors of sorts.

The consumers of today are aware when the wool is being pulled over their eyes, for the most part, and they then begin to distrust all people associated with such an organization.

Good for you on your efforts. Allowing it to be "public" is healthy for the discussion it creates and the consumers need to see that we can address adversity among ourselves.

Bad for NAR to not print your comments, and Bad for the NAR for not being members of web sites like AR and making the effort to address such issues head-on.

Maybe you should send this whole post, along with the comments, to the powers to be at NAR for their review.

Posted by Don Davies, GRI AshevilleRealEstateTrends.com (Don Davies Real Estate/REALSEARCH/Asheville, NC) about 4 years ago

Kent - I find it amusing and sad at the same time. 

Karen - Thank you for your support...  

Don - With real estate agents having such a hard time with the trust of the public, the NAR's actions don't help.  But, I would bet that there are some folks here with the NAR looking at what is being said.  They just don't want to weigh in.  

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago
Great Post, there seems to be a real problem in the country with some people afraid to "rock the boat" like lets all just perform like good little citizens.  I appreciate when someone takes the initiative think thats what these blogs are suppose to do.  There needs to be accountability from people in charge, no matter in which arena, if that is not happening then a change may be needed.  Where is the uproar about the housing crisis? gas prices? consumer goods prices? Thanks for being acrive keep it up!!
Posted by Cathy & Gary Elmore (Coldwell Banker Tomlinson N) about 4 years ago

Frustration with OUR trade organization?  Hmmm, that's assuming that NAR really is OUR trade organization.  Their relationship with MOVE, Inc. makes me think otherwise.  If you're reading this comment and don't know what I'm talking about, look into how Realtor.com operates and then tell me if you think that NAR is operating in it's member's best interest or not?

Lane, excellent post!  I hope that they read it and start to understand that we're all not a bunch of dummies!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

Posted by ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. about 4 years ago
Lane - as usual you are right on.  I believe all organizations need a shake up now and then to get in the current year. We need fresh air!!
Posted by Suzanne Gantner, GRI, E-Pro, SRES, SRS, ABR (Sky Realty, Central Texas Real Estate ) about 4 years ago

I got you covered.

I made a couple of calls and some NAR representatives will be joining and looking at your comments soon.  These are clients of mine who will add their perspective and maybe answer some questions.

Each and everyone of you have your own NAR representatives for your state and or region.  Ask your local association who they are and talk to them.  Invite them to activerain.com they may be too busy to even know that it exists.

Real estate is local and so are your Reps.

Do you have a login at http://www.realtor.org/ You will need it to access this page.  This may have all the names of all the reps.  I don't have access but you as a REALTOR do.

http://www.realtor.org/LeadGov.nsf/pages/2007directory?Opendocument

If you want to know what NAR is publicly broadcasting media wise.   go to http://www.willisandjillstone.com/ and watch the videos from NAR.  This is the current media campaign. 

They put the videos on the site for you to use.  http://www.realtor.org/pac.nsf/pages/pachome

I have also added a great video from The Idaho Falls REALTORS.  You may want to create your own "Real Estate is Local" video and put it on youtube.com and all the others.

Posted by Brian Blake about 4 years ago

Cathy & Gary - Yeah... falling in line isn't one of my strong suits. 

Bob - I'm no fan of Move.  I look at the SCCA ownership of the name Trans-Am and how it carried them for years financially.  Then I see the the NAR and R.com.  The SCCA wasn't fleecing their members by leasing the name to GM.  

Suzanne - I don't know that I'm usually right on, but I try...

Brian - You might look at my comment about "real estate is local" earlier in the thread... But, thank you for getting someone over there on it.  I wonder if my comment will get posted...  If it does, I will update this to reflect that. 

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago
Everyone... We got noticed.  I just popped up a new post to let everyone know the latest...
Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago

Great post - I could not agree more, see my blog on the numbers and just how big the distressed property market is.  We believe we are at the beginning of a very long process that the real estate market will havee to adjust to and learn to excel in.  NAR needs to be much more realistic.  I wonder how many investors and homeowners have purchased based on NAR predictions and have seen their values slide on a consistent basis.  Great post, thanks!

Alex Charfen
www.1cdpe.com
www.charfenteam.com

Posted by Alex Charfen (Charfen Institute) about 4 years ago
A&C - I would hope that people wouldn't buy based directly on the NAR recommendation... but how many agents counseled their buyer based on those predictions?
Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago

Without a doubt times are tough right now -- but I bought a home last year, so did my sister, and my mom is currently listed to sell. So, people move on, regardless of what others say.

I highly doubt there will be a day, soon, where the media will get out their horns and exclaim it's a great real estate market right now.

Blogging would be particularly helpful if agents would give more market info.

Happy Sailing ... _/) Paul -- www.eNewsletterSolutions.com 

Posted by Social Media, Email Marketing & Search Engine Optimization Specialist (PCS Online Solutions) about 4 years ago
Paul - I wouldn't be so sure.  In fact, I am hearing people in the media talking well about real estate now.
Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 4 years ago

Lane - This is the first time I saw this, thanks for mentioning it in my comments.  Interesting to see your take on the NAR's insistence on positive reports, since I just wrote a whole post about it recently - "Are Realtors® Too Positive About The Market?  Or Are They Not Doing Enough?"  I was hoping to see more consumer opinions on the issue, but most of them have remained silent so far.

Posted by Matt Stigliano (Kimberly Howell Properties (210) 646-HOME) about 3 years ago

Matt - Consumer comments are very welcome... but also a bit rare...

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) about 3 years ago

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